所以一件機能布料背心到底多少成本 - 健身
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※ 引述《nchum102 ()》之銘言:
: 有人看到淘寶有跟老虎牌一模一樣的款式
: 價格卻非常低廉
: 因為老虎牌當初貨沒有買斷
: 所以導致上游廠商外流
: 記得之前老虎牌負責人還拍了一個影片解釋布料
: 說光是材料就要幾百塊
: 不過這款背心非常久了
: 或許現在用的材料更好吧?
: 好奇看了一下淘寶
: https://i.imgur.com/HummbBH.jpg
: 一件賣38RMB
: 對比老虎加上管銷成本賣1180NTD
: https://i.imgur.com/UnlU445.jpg
: 雖然不確定布料是不是一樣
: 不知道有沒有大大對比過這兩件
: 如果材質一樣的話
: 這樣難道是說上游賠本賣嗎?
: 純屬理性討論應該不違版規吧
看大家討論熱烈,小弟我貢獻一點所學,以供各位未來選購運動服裝的參考。
什麼是機能布料?
其實不管什麼布料本身有客觀的參考標準,像是棉的親膚性比麻好,機能布料與普通布料
不同的差距在於可以客製化,一般來說棉有其物理限制(品種),機能布料可混紡好幾種
材質進而得到不同的穿衣效果,但這講起來好像很厲害,但此定義下你買的299竹炭內褲
到20000一件的Gore-tex都在機能布料的範疇下。
那該如何以什麼標準來看待虎牌的產品呢?
我想他用的材質在市面上可以買到的透氣彈性布料中算高級的,但如果要看做運動品牌的
廠商的技術力,重點在於染整,就是你品牌能夠做出多少花樣的套色,機能布料的染色非
常困難,據說國內某大廠為了08奧運劉翔穿的跑衣要染成整個大紅色花了兩年研發,但他
出發就跌倒了XD 虎牌目前出的服裝大多都是單色(還只是白黑棕)印Logo,技術力還需
要加油啊。
那虎牌跟大牌的差距到底是什麼?為什麼會引起爭議呢?
虎牌跟國際甚至國內一線大廠的差距就在談判能力跟QC。
談判能力在於與一線布料大廠的合作開發,舊產品不談,N牌跟國內的聚X,U牌跟國內的
儒X是一直有合作開發新布料的,也是所謂的客製化,所以聚X一直說他們是紡織業的台積
電。
QC 在其他品牌出現大陸製造商偷偷跑去Tao寶網賣,就是死刑了!有個在菲律賓開廠的前
輩,接N牌的棉T單被QC打回票現在貨還堆在倉庫裡面,N牌的法務強到靠北,沒有廠商敢
惹他們。
那虎牌的經營成本跟定位?
經營成本大抵上可以分為
料:上述分析過了,材質不錯但技術力不足
工:工廠不是他們自己的,這點沒有
費:大陸工繳其實一直在漲,但他貨樣單純,而且廠商蠻沒職業道德的,所以應該不貴
銷:架網站,加寬頻成本算你10000一個月
管:看起來有請助理,大概六七萬一個月
在桃園的工作室房租
研:沒在研發不用錢
匯:人民幣最近是一年低點,應該匯率是賺的
息:資金應該沒大到有利息問題
稅:這點就有點尷尬了,不知道買虎牌的民眾有沒有拿到發票?
沒有發票:可能3個月一次的營業稅
有:繳營業稅
定位:粉絲向品牌
粉絲向品牌其實不是貶義詞,U牌一開始也是美式足球的粉絲向品牌,一開始你沒太多錢
,只鎖定某些族群是蠻正常的現象,但經營者要如何向外拓展自己的品牌給更多消費者就
是一個大哉問了,虎牌應該的走向是
Tao粉->Tao女友粉->健身專項->健身同好粉->專項運動->專項運動粉->一般運動
只是今天他是上PTT不是上商周,大概在第一階段就惹出爭議了。
心情抒發:
會打這篇其實有個核心概念叫做,名詞誤用,Tao滿口創業經但其實從他言談中他實際上
完全沒有商業的零售部分的基本概念,,他的行為離創業還很遠,說創業結果做的是夕陽
產業,機能布料業界也玩了快20年了,可能勉強可以說:是出來做生意的。
我不知道是不是因為他中文真的不好,因為在喊說成本很高(薄利)跟後來的品牌效應(
你買Gucci會考慮價錢嗎?)是兩種不同邏輯,可能真的不會用中文思考吧。
虎牌很重視品牌效應但卻連品牌維持最基本的QC都沒做好,做佛跳牆會爆炸是不允許的,
做服裝品牌會爆炸同樣是不允許的。
補充1 機能布料不是業界很神的東西,看看台股那幾個大廠的跌幅就知道了。
--
: 有人看到淘寶有跟老虎牌一模一樣的款式
: 價格卻非常低廉
: 因為老虎牌當初貨沒有買斷
: 所以導致上游廠商外流
: 記得之前老虎牌負責人還拍了一個影片解釋布料
: 說光是材料就要幾百塊
: 不過這款背心非常久了
: 或許現在用的材料更好吧?
: 好奇看了一下淘寶
: https://i.imgur.com/HummbBH.jpg
: 一件賣38RMB
: 對比老虎加上管銷成本賣1180NTD
: https://i.imgur.com/UnlU445.jpg
: 雖然不確定布料是不是一樣
: 不知道有沒有大大對比過這兩件
: 如果材質一樣的話
: 這樣難道是說上游賠本賣嗎?
: 純屬理性討論應該不違版規吧
看大家討論熱烈,小弟我貢獻一點所學,以供各位未來選購運動服裝的參考。
什麼是機能布料?
其實不管什麼布料本身有客觀的參考標準,像是棉的親膚性比麻好,機能布料與普通布料
不同的差距在於可以客製化,一般來說棉有其物理限制(品種),機能布料可混紡好幾種
材質進而得到不同的穿衣效果,但這講起來好像很厲害,但此定義下你買的299竹炭內褲
到20000一件的Gore-tex都在機能布料的範疇下。
那該如何以什麼標準來看待虎牌的產品呢?
我想他用的材質在市面上可以買到的透氣彈性布料中算高級的,但如果要看做運動品牌的
廠商的技術力,重點在於染整,就是你品牌能夠做出多少花樣的套色,機能布料的染色非
常困難,據說國內某大廠為了08奧運劉翔穿的跑衣要染成整個大紅色花了兩年研發,但他
出發就跌倒了XD 虎牌目前出的服裝大多都是單色(還只是白黑棕)印Logo,技術力還需
要加油啊。
那虎牌跟大牌的差距到底是什麼?為什麼會引起爭議呢?
虎牌跟國際甚至國內一線大廠的差距就在談判能力跟QC。
談判能力在於與一線布料大廠的合作開發,舊產品不談,N牌跟國內的聚X,U牌跟國內的
儒X是一直有合作開發新布料的,也是所謂的客製化,所以聚X一直說他們是紡織業的台積
電。
QC 在其他品牌出現大陸製造商偷偷跑去Tao寶網賣,就是死刑了!有個在菲律賓開廠的前
輩,接N牌的棉T單被QC打回票現在貨還堆在倉庫裡面,N牌的法務強到靠北,沒有廠商敢
惹他們。
那虎牌的經營成本跟定位?
經營成本大抵上可以分為
料:上述分析過了,材質不錯但技術力不足
工:工廠不是他們自己的,這點沒有
費:大陸工繳其實一直在漲,但他貨樣單純,而且廠商蠻沒職業道德的,所以應該不貴
銷:架網站,加寬頻成本算你10000一個月
管:看起來有請助理,大概六七萬一個月
在桃園的工作室房租
研:沒在研發不用錢
匯:人民幣最近是一年低點,應該匯率是賺的
息:資金應該沒大到有利息問題
稅:這點就有點尷尬了,不知道買虎牌的民眾有沒有拿到發票?
沒有發票:可能3個月一次的營業稅
有:繳營業稅
定位:粉絲向品牌
粉絲向品牌其實不是貶義詞,U牌一開始也是美式足球的粉絲向品牌,一開始你沒太多錢
,只鎖定某些族群是蠻正常的現象,但經營者要如何向外拓展自己的品牌給更多消費者就
是一個大哉問了,虎牌應該的走向是
Tao粉->Tao女友粉->健身專項->健身同好粉->專項運動->專項運動粉->一般運動
只是今天他是上PTT不是上商周,大概在第一階段就惹出爭議了。
心情抒發:
會打這篇其實有個核心概念叫做,名詞誤用,Tao滿口創業經但其實從他言談中他實際上
完全沒有商業的零售部分的基本概念,,他的行為離創業還很遠,說創業結果做的是夕陽
產業,機能布料業界也玩了快20年了,可能勉強可以說:是出來做生意的。
我不知道是不是因為他中文真的不好,因為在喊說成本很高(薄利)跟後來的品牌效應(
你買Gucci會考慮價錢嗎?)是兩種不同邏輯,可能真的不會用中文思考吧。
虎牌很重視品牌效應但卻連品牌維持最基本的QC都沒做好,做佛跳牆會爆炸是不允許的,
做服裝品牌會爆炸同樣是不允許的。
補充1 機能布料不是業界很神的東西,看看台股那幾個大廠的跌幅就知道了。
--
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