節食一定掉肌肉? - 健身

Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2017-02-24T21:45

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節食一定掉肌肉? 原則可能是如此,但節食再加上重訓呢?

i'm sorry,答案可能不是如你想的那樣。來看下列的研究,看是不是肌肉掉光光。

http://cristivlad.com/resistance-training-under-caloric-
restriction-enhances-muscle-maintenance/

原文。不用錢。
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/47/1/19.full.pdf+html


Resistance Training under Caloric Restriction Enhances Muscle Maintenance

受試者
40 obese women, randomly assigned to four different groups

四組
控制組 control (C)
節食組 diet without exercise (DO)
節食加重訓組 diet + weight training (DPE)
重訓組 weight training without diet (EO)

時間
8-week weight-loss study

節食餐
Subjects' baseline energy requirements were calculated at 2,200-2,500 kcals
per day and then reduced by 1,000 kcals for the calorie restricted groups.

重訓菜單
As for the exercising protocol, the subjects from EO and DPE had to do
resistance training 3 times a week. Each session included:

– bench press
– inverse leg press
– lateral pulldown
– biceps curls
– triceps extension
– calf raises
– leg extension
– hamstring curl

They had to do 3 sets of each exercise: the first 2 sets consisting of 10
repetitions, while the last set required doing repetitions to failure. Once
the subjects were able to complete more than 12 repetitions in the third set,
resistance (load) had to be increased. I suspect they were shooting for
anaerobic training.

結論

請看連結裡的圖示,有用紅筆圈起來

控制組什麼都沒啥變

節食組瘦了4-5kg,但也確掉了1kg肌肉

重訓組體重沒啥變,肌肉成長了1kg

最精采的節食加重訓組呢?
體脂掉最多,但肌肉卻沒啥動,還稍微增加了一點點
也就是說跟節食組比,肌肉沒掉
跟重訓組比,卻減了很多脂肪,可以說同時結合了這兩組的優點
而且節食加重訓組的力量跟純重訓組也差不多,都提升了一些,比控制組跟節食組高


筆者最後也有提到
Had these subjects have their dietary protocol optimized away from a
high-carb regimen, I suspect results would've been even more significant.

What I am eager to see is studies conducted on healthy lean adult subjects
following a well formulated low calorie high-fat (60%-70%), low protein
(15%-25%), very-low-carb (10-15%) ketogenic protocol (keto-adapted would be
even better) doing resistance weight training in comparison with other
significantly different protocols.

似乎暗示生同或低碳飲食的效果會更不一樣。


有人認為我是節食加重訓,ok有這樣的研究,不掉肌肉有很意外嗎?



很有趣的是這段,筆者說.....
Caloric restriction is uncool. It usually leads to increased hunger, bad
mood, and cold limbs among others (not if you're keto-adapted). Plus, the
power of the supplement industry and bro-science were almost always dictating
the trend. If you don’t train 3-4 times a week 1-2 hours every session and
if you don’t consume a ton of protein, you will lose muscle and you will die
(please excuse my sarcasm).
哈哈,真的滿好笑的。

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All Comments

Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2017-02-27T13:08
這作者需要你,他想知道低蛋白、低碳水攝取的重訓結果 XD
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2017-03-01T18:08
很有趣的分享,但你的翻譯也太隨便了 = =
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2017-03-06T10:27
受到jack大感召才決定來一篇,但小弟翻譯能力實在有限
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2017-03-09T12:21
能力有限就請閉嘴 別丟些不完整的文章誤導人好嗎
Kama avatar
By Kama
at 2017-03-13T10:07
對人不對事,別侮辱 leangain,要我丟論文你看嗎?
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2017-03-16T13:47
我只問你一句,你真的認為肌肉會一夜之間全掉光?
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2017-03-20T11:48
假如你知道生長需要時間,那分解也需要時間你也能理解吧?
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2017-03-22T05:22
既然如此,那你對你自己身體一個月內沒有變無肌,有疑問嗎?
你也沒有真的監控你的肌肉量,你手上只有一張inbody
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2017-03-27T00:36
別說得好像你已經監控好幾次了好嗎,你真沒掉的證據?
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2017-03-29T17:05
現在重點已非我掉不掉的問題,人家研究擺明如此
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2017-04-03T07:56
既然你那麼有自信,那請你今後推廣修正為你是重訓後節食
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2017-04-07T17:17
說我在倡導害人的運動方式,給我警告,真的無言.....
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2017-04-09T06:46
你現在是要嗆版主給你警告了?還是嗆版主只給你警告?
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2017-04-11T20:39
com不是最愛說我騙人,說我節食。就算節食又怎樣?
有重訓的話,仍然可以維持肌肉
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2017-04-12T23:18
等你第二張,然後每個月一張,長期監控才能還你清白
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2017-04-14T23:00
更何況,我從來沒叫人節食。我是倡導低碳、斷食、重訓
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2017-04-19T22:01
再說我問了你至少三次把你平時吃的東西PO出來,你都無視
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2017-04-23T16:31
你只是原本以為自己是斷食,後來才被發現玩成節食而已
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2017-04-28T03:01
種種研究都顯示,維持肌肉是要靠重訓,而非單靠吃
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2017-04-30T08:19
一堆人喊高蛋白才不會掉肌,我說迷思有錯嗎?
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2017-05-02T18:25
問題是你的重訓量有沒有讓你維持肌肉呢
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2017-05-06T04:05
不就是我貼的最後一段,筆者在那邊諷剌、笑死
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2017-05-07T14:44
所以你的重訓有沒有讓你維持肌肉呢
Quintina avatar
By Quintina
at 2017-05-12T14:39
http://i.imgur.com/RbycYb5.jpg 有重訓的手比女生更
幼嫩Q彈,BMI還要低,當然很有道理
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2017-05-17T10:22
你有沒有發現你騎虎難下了?第二張出來也好,到第幾張你沒
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2017-05-18T11:09
持平,甚至肌肉出現下降了,你到時候要怎麼自圓其說
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2017-05-19T09:46
離第一張30天還有6天,這期間你自己思考一下
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2017-05-24T02:22
人家斷食重訓有吃bcaa,你是斷食重訓還不吃夠蛋白質,一
般幹嘛腦殘去做明顯對身體不利的事情。
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2017-05-26T12:34
*節食重訓
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2017-05-29T01:56
我吃的不多,但蛋白質真的比例算高
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2017-05-30T20:09
他這篇開始正名自己是節食重訓了,看看他文章多有自信
circlelee: 一堆人喊高蛋白才不會掉肌,我說迷思有錯嗎?
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2017-06-01T15:46
推錯,你自己斷食重訓不要亂教別人, leangain做請做
全套不要做半套自殘。
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2017-06-03T04:57
才16分鐘他就忘了自己剛剛講了什麼了
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2017-06-07T16:51
你都知道蛋白值要吃多,還推文不用高蛋白,你不懂營養
素永遠沒辦法教別人,教學要數據化跟完整。
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2017-06-12T11:39
你不怕掉的話,蛋白質吃高幹什麼呢?
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2017-06-12T23:09
你立場總是反反覆覆,常常自己打自己臉,很難叫人信服
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2017-06-17T07:06
不小心變成圈黑了
George avatar
By George
at 2017-06-19T18:31
沒關係啦,我也是不小心從本來想幫他說話變成完全不想了
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2017-06-20T07:45
啊低碳,不是高蛋白就是高脂呀,還有飽足感
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2017-06-23T02:00
吃高蛋白的食物,很ok。但要是以為光吃高蛋白就不掉肌
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2017-06-24T19:22
這觀念是不對的。維持重訓量才最能維持肌肉~
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2017-06-28T19:47
當然增肌攝取高蛋白是完全合理的,但要一樣要重訓量
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2017-06-30T22:28
circlelee: 一堆人喊高蛋白才不會掉肌,我說迷思有錯嗎?
Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2017-07-02T12:19
所以這句話可以理解成,是你斷章取義沒錯吧
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2017-07-04T04:58
然後有什麼理由,我問了四次,你還是不願意PO你吃什麼呢
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2017-07-04T06:21
從你的實驗根本看不出你的結論,高蛋白跟避免掉肌肉有
正相關,不少研究都有了,不要斷章取義。
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2017-07-04T22:43
啊人家節食耶!一樣沒掉肌肉啊
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2017-07-06T00:37
應該說節食+重訓 一樣沒掉肌肉啊
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2017-07-06T18:58
高蛋白不是避免掉肌肉的重要因素咩,重要在重訓量
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2017-07-11T02:25
我想問一下大家,diet這個字該翻譯成節食,還是飲食控制
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2017-07-15T09:14
Caloric Restriction不就是節食嗎?
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2017-07-19T15:25
少了一千大卡耶
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2017-07-21T06:52
在ptt又開啟戰神模式了 暴走的里長伯
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2017-07-21T14:49
不知道什麼時候會水桶
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2017-07-25T13:55
討論、交流而已,大家easy一點
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2017-07-26T16:51
很理性啊,圈李不是信用破產嗎?
George avatar
By George
at 2017-07-26T22:52
所以熱量赤字=節食,這就是你的邏輯嗎,diet到底怎麼翻
David avatar
By David
at 2017-07-30T21:24
http://i.imgur.com/ewcWIe1.png 反正他也不在乎
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2017-08-03T00:36
生酮c低碳c木棍c斷食c原始c節食c
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2017-08-07T00:08
不要跟自言自語的人對話啦~
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2017-08-09T02:54
寂寞天堂別鬧
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2017-08-10T20:19
diet原意是飲食,但現在衍生為偏向健康或體重控制的飲食
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2017-08-10T23:45
所以我會翻譯為"飲食控制" (wiki看來的)
Poppy avatar
By Poppy
at 2017-08-12T16:19
這個案例裡,或許飲食控制是比較適合的翻譯
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2017-08-14T22:59
所以這篇整篇的立足點,也就是重訓節食...?
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2017-08-16T14:24
或許我措詞不佳,但大家確實可以參考一下這篇研究
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2017-08-18T21:26
誰鬧了,哪個不是事實?
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2017-08-20T06:44
可是我看你咬定了是重訓+節食還信誓旦旦
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2017-08-20T13:08
甚至還檢討起版主警告你來著...?
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2017-08-21T07:14
你老愛拿一堆研究來背書 但你做的都只有半套還敢說嘴
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2017-08-26T06:26
說你哪裡沒控制好沒監控好你就自創新定義腦補
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2017-08-28T05:02
真的是很可悲 死不認錯就是了 越來越覺得你只是為反而反
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2017-08-30T22:05
這篇研究有數據可以參考 那你的數據呢?
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2017-09-02T17:16
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2017-09-04T11:32
lonelyheaven好兇哦XDD
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2017-09-08T13:04
\ 我們圈粉是一定要朝聖教主的 /
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2017-09-10T02:58
補一個拿鐵c,我哪有兇,屁屎好嗎~
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2017-09-12T12:33
圈李原本不丟原文,感覺是要刻意誤導??
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2017-09-13T22:45
好 我先噓完 再參考文章
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2017-09-17T16:13
老愛拿一堆研究來背書 但你做的只有半套還敢說嘴+1
Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2017-09-21T21:15
整天在推一些亂七八糟自己東拼西湊的東西
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2017-09-23T05:06
為何不桶
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2017-09-27T11:52
吃炸G囉
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2017-09-30T12:50
阿伯還是回去吃炸雞吧XDDD
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2017-10-02T13:00
原來是節食阿 我還以為是斷食呀
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2017-10-04T07:10
吉野家不配飯 喝拿鐵瞜
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2017-10-08T02:55
圈李,我今天驗完了,你啥時驗?照牙醫說法,我有嚴重
阻抗,但照史考特醫生的類型是完全正常,怎麼辦?斷是
William avatar
By William
at 2017-10-12T04:17
不斷?
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2017-10-13T07:04
我猜他不知道你說的牙醫是指誰
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2017-10-14T16:09
圈李:斷!斷就對了!
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2017-10-17T21:24
斷 都斷
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2017-10-18T07:30
拿別人的論文來吵架就是賤
Kama avatar
By Kama
at 2017-10-20T06:05
牙醫他一定知道,他鐵粉欸XD
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2017-10-20T11:35
d86你好狠 XD ... 雖然卡夫去世了唉
Una avatar
By Una
at 2017-10-22T18:53
基本上這時候他就會裝作沒看到了啦
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2017-10-24T16:30
頂多回你 謝謝指教
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2017-10-25T09:49
自以為專業 搞笑
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2017-10-30T01:09
你到底哪時要po體態照 生酮王
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2017-11-03T01:38
又開始奢口不理了
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2017-11-05T18:25
這樣不用桶嗎
George avatar
By George
at 2017-11-09T13:47
這邊射後不理轉戰肌肉版
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2017-11-11T17:46
補虛 沒料的假生酮仔 生酮混不下去 改混斷食

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