請問FP訓練有這麼神嗎? - 健身

By Lydia
at 2019-04-28T20:49
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幫忙FPTaiwan 代po
我沒有ptt帳號,所以我在這回應網路上針對FP的問題
Q1: 我一直覺得重量訓練+FP訓練會達到更好的效果//
---
A: 絕對不會,如果你深入研究FP背後的原理,自己實際操作訓練,實際教導客戶,你會
發現根本不可能。
一樣老話一句,你嘗試跟我們做出一樣的BEFORE/AFTER後再下定論。
Q2: 從行銷手法來看,真的很神,畢竟讓你特地上來發問,也真的洗腦了不少教練放棄重
量訓練,投身這個系統,他的行銷絕對是成功的,一個從零開始的系統,有這麼好的成
果,難能可貴。//
---
A: 好的東西一定要配上有手段的行銷,不過說洗腦這個詞不太精準;問問從傳統重訓到
完全加入FP的人,他們絕對不是盲從的投入到我們這個系統,而是花了一段時間體驗過、
改變過才加入進來的。
Q3: 從訓練成果來看,以他們"定義"的角度來看,或許成果真的不錯,畢竟大量的before
.
after 不過這邊還是要告知大家,這種前後測對比,基本上都是只有成功的會被PO出來,
就像教練的學員身材對比一樣,永遠只有變壯變瘦得會上版面,上教練課的人多如牛毛,
多的是沒被PO出來的例子,FP也一樣,一定有很多沒改變的學員,這邊不管任何原因,而
且好身材如果要維持的話,這些理想的身體排列也是需要維持才有意義的,不把訓練當成
習慣,不去仔細鑽研其中奧妙,即便學了這個系統也沒什麼用處,其他矯正系統也一樣。
//
---
A: 最重要的是「我們有,還很多,而且世界各地都有,但問題是你們有嗎?」
當然我們絕對有遇到成果相對不明顯的客戶,然後呢?就面對問題,換個方法;如果嘗試
千萬種方法都沒效,至少我會誠實的對客戶說:我不知道(自己去問我的客戶,最常聽我
說:不知道),但當我說不知道的時候,不是放著不理它,我會想盡辦法找到答案,這也
是為什麼FP客戶黏著度這麼高(也許你認為這叫做洗腦?)
Q4: 市場來看,那段話就真的話術跟他個人的感覺而已,台灣基本上,整個產業的發展還
是
跟國外蠻像的,都在走國外的路,FP在國外已經8年了(應該沒記錯),有取代國外的系統
嗎? 沒有啊,重量訓練發展至今也有6.70餘年,如果大家的身體這麼脆弱,這麼容易被搞
砸,那之前練的那些人,現在應該已經一堆病變了吧? 對多數人來說,運動、活動都是正
向對身體有益的行為,即便動作的錯誤,力學的不流暢,也不會真的讓你馬上受傷,而且
因為重訓本身的風險,多半人在產生不舒服的時候,就會選擇放棄跟請專業的指導,相較
之下,受傷的風險真的比其他運動低太多了!!所以真的沒有必要拿傳統訓練來說嘴,至於
那些身體變輕盈啊,跑步變快、投擲變好,抑或是靜態排列的優化,坦白說都是"他們定
義的功能",如果這些是你追求的,或是"很像人類"是你要的,那你當然不能錯過他們的
方
式,前提是,這些是你要的!!//
---
A: 在你們眼中很強壯、體態很好、練很久的,有多少練到滿身傷?有多少要一直看治療
師的?我們不是看會不會馬上受傷,我們看的是長遠的結果;誠實的面對自己的身體,尤
其是練超過十年的人,身體到底有多少傷痛,你們也很清楚。
跑步變快、投擲變好,抑或是靜態排列的優化,這是不是你要的不是你決定,是你的身體
在決定;這不是由我們意識定義,是我們演化賦予的定義。
例如:"你決定你身體不喝水只喝飲料,飲料才是我要的,但是水才是你身體真正要的,
長期下來後果會怎樣?"
了解到這點後,你就要探究你的身體到底最需要甚麼,甚麼是"優先"的,沒有它你的生理
機制就會毀滅。
那為什麼健身界現在最常做的還是拿著槓子扛在肩膀上做大量垂直性負荷的雙腳運動,然
而我們人類最常做的卻是水平面 contralateral reciprocation?長期操作不是人類演化
後的優先動作,結果會怎樣?現在看起來是不太好。
Q5: 隨便總結吧,人體非常的奧妙,很多時候不是你看看跑步、投擲、靜態排列就可以解
釋了
臨床上多的是可以打臉"張力不對稱"這種說法的案例,只能說這些動靜態的排列可以是參
考的一環,卻只是其中的一環,筋膜的運用也是,現今有太多厲害的教練、物理治療師,
光運用解剖學、肌動學、生物力學就能做出很厲害的治療或訓練,筋膜的存在,不是要
排斥解剖學!!而是要我們在看待事情時,多一個切入點(只是這個切入點也很符合生物力
學
),人體就像拼圖,每一個系統也只是讓它逐漸完整,而不是完整取代,比較不能理解的
是
這個產業多的是解剖肌動爛得不行的教練,重訓動作教的亂七八糟,然後還滿嘴什麼背線
、螺旋線、臂線什麼的,是裝逼嗎?還是不懂裝懂?真的是10個講筋膜9個在鬼扯。//
---
A: 人體非常奧妙沒錯,我們常看的跑步投擲靜態排列不能說是其中一環,他更像是物體
架構最重要的核心,但為什麼現在的產業界卻不是建立在最基礎最重要的核心之上?
此外我們根本不需要很多系統的存在,我們要的是用更好的系統去解釋各種現象,例如從
傳統解剖學的觀點分析步態的方式到後來有更完整的張力結構體概念的觀點去分析步態,
這是完全不同的層級;但最重要的還是要回歸到一件事情,『你能應用甚麼?改變甚麼?
成果是甚麼?』
-----
可以去看
Naudi Eloy Aguilar
與
Bret Contreras PhD 的辯論
這場辯論中FP創辦人有很明確的回答許多人對FP理念的疑問,希望各位能夠花些時間看看
。
--
我沒有ptt帳號,所以我在這回應網路上針對FP的問題
Q1: 我一直覺得重量訓練+FP訓練會達到更好的效果//
---
A: 絕對不會,如果你深入研究FP背後的原理,自己實際操作訓練,實際教導客戶,你會
發現根本不可能。
一樣老話一句,你嘗試跟我們做出一樣的BEFORE/AFTER後再下定論。
Q2: 從行銷手法來看,真的很神,畢竟讓你特地上來發問,也真的洗腦了不少教練放棄重
量訓練,投身這個系統,他的行銷絕對是成功的,一個從零開始的系統,有這麼好的成
果,難能可貴。//
---
A: 好的東西一定要配上有手段的行銷,不過說洗腦這個詞不太精準;問問從傳統重訓到
完全加入FP的人,他們絕對不是盲從的投入到我們這個系統,而是花了一段時間體驗過、
改變過才加入進來的。
Q3: 從訓練成果來看,以他們"定義"的角度來看,或許成果真的不錯,畢竟大量的before
.
after 不過這邊還是要告知大家,這種前後測對比,基本上都是只有成功的會被PO出來,
就像教練的學員身材對比一樣,永遠只有變壯變瘦得會上版面,上教練課的人多如牛毛,
多的是沒被PO出來的例子,FP也一樣,一定有很多沒改變的學員,這邊不管任何原因,而
且好身材如果要維持的話,這些理想的身體排列也是需要維持才有意義的,不把訓練當成
習慣,不去仔細鑽研其中奧妙,即便學了這個系統也沒什麼用處,其他矯正系統也一樣。
//
---
A: 最重要的是「我們有,還很多,而且世界各地都有,但問題是你們有嗎?」
當然我們絕對有遇到成果相對不明顯的客戶,然後呢?就面對問題,換個方法;如果嘗試
千萬種方法都沒效,至少我會誠實的對客戶說:我不知道(自己去問我的客戶,最常聽我
說:不知道),但當我說不知道的時候,不是放著不理它,我會想盡辦法找到答案,這也
是為什麼FP客戶黏著度這麼高(也許你認為這叫做洗腦?)
Q4: 市場來看,那段話就真的話術跟他個人的感覺而已,台灣基本上,整個產業的發展還
是
跟國外蠻像的,都在走國外的路,FP在國外已經8年了(應該沒記錯),有取代國外的系統
嗎? 沒有啊,重量訓練發展至今也有6.70餘年,如果大家的身體這麼脆弱,這麼容易被搞
砸,那之前練的那些人,現在應該已經一堆病變了吧? 對多數人來說,運動、活動都是正
向對身體有益的行為,即便動作的錯誤,力學的不流暢,也不會真的讓你馬上受傷,而且
因為重訓本身的風險,多半人在產生不舒服的時候,就會選擇放棄跟請專業的指導,相較
之下,受傷的風險真的比其他運動低太多了!!所以真的沒有必要拿傳統訓練來說嘴,至於
那些身體變輕盈啊,跑步變快、投擲變好,抑或是靜態排列的優化,坦白說都是"他們定
義的功能",如果這些是你追求的,或是"很像人類"是你要的,那你當然不能錯過他們的
方
式,前提是,這些是你要的!!//
---
A: 在你們眼中很強壯、體態很好、練很久的,有多少練到滿身傷?有多少要一直看治療
師的?我們不是看會不會馬上受傷,我們看的是長遠的結果;誠實的面對自己的身體,尤
其是練超過十年的人,身體到底有多少傷痛,你們也很清楚。
跑步變快、投擲變好,抑或是靜態排列的優化,這是不是你要的不是你決定,是你的身體
在決定;這不是由我們意識定義,是我們演化賦予的定義。
例如:"你決定你身體不喝水只喝飲料,飲料才是我要的,但是水才是你身體真正要的,
長期下來後果會怎樣?"
了解到這點後,你就要探究你的身體到底最需要甚麼,甚麼是"優先"的,沒有它你的生理
機制就會毀滅。
那為什麼健身界現在最常做的還是拿著槓子扛在肩膀上做大量垂直性負荷的雙腳運動,然
而我們人類最常做的卻是水平面 contralateral reciprocation?長期操作不是人類演化
後的優先動作,結果會怎樣?現在看起來是不太好。
Q5: 隨便總結吧,人體非常的奧妙,很多時候不是你看看跑步、投擲、靜態排列就可以解
釋了
臨床上多的是可以打臉"張力不對稱"這種說法的案例,只能說這些動靜態的排列可以是參
考的一環,卻只是其中的一環,筋膜的運用也是,現今有太多厲害的教練、物理治療師,
光運用解剖學、肌動學、生物力學就能做出很厲害的治療或訓練,筋膜的存在,不是要
排斥解剖學!!而是要我們在看待事情時,多一個切入點(只是這個切入點也很符合生物力
學
),人體就像拼圖,每一個系統也只是讓它逐漸完整,而不是完整取代,比較不能理解的
是
這個產業多的是解剖肌動爛得不行的教練,重訓動作教的亂七八糟,然後還滿嘴什麼背線
、螺旋線、臂線什麼的,是裝逼嗎?還是不懂裝懂?真的是10個講筋膜9個在鬼扯。//
---
A: 人體非常奧妙沒錯,我們常看的跑步投擲靜態排列不能說是其中一環,他更像是物體
架構最重要的核心,但為什麼現在的產業界卻不是建立在最基礎最重要的核心之上?
此外我們根本不需要很多系統的存在,我們要的是用更好的系統去解釋各種現象,例如從
傳統解剖學的觀點分析步態的方式到後來有更完整的張力結構體概念的觀點去分析步態,
這是完全不同的層級;但最重要的還是要回歸到一件事情,『你能應用甚麼?改變甚麼?
成果是甚麼?』
-----
可以去看
Naudi Eloy Aguilar
與
Bret Contreras PhD 的辯論
這場辯論中FP創辦人有很明確的回答許多人對FP理念的疑問,希望各位能夠花些時間看看
。
--
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